dickerson fly rod tapers
Is there a classic taper that roll casts better any others? Anyway, far too few people concern themselves over what should be the staple obsession of every rodmaker-design. Remember that respect and civility is the goal of this board. Sold Out $4,050.00 Description Particulars For your consideration is a Lyle Dickerson model 8013 bamboo fly rod made in 1948. Inquiring solvent-afflicted minds want to know. (Bob Norwood). 0.144 On the other hand, Dickerson was designing rods (most likely) for Michigan waters. 0.214 I like to look at the taper itself and how it compares to a straight line taper, the stress curve, the tip deflection under loading, the shape the rod assumes under maximum loading, the rod weight and the center of gravity. by alpom 05/08/09 03:35, Post This rod belonged to rodbuilder Tim Bedford. Just a topic to ponder on these slow summer days. by softstick 05/09/09 04:36, Post .232@10 The trouble is, the market wants one that can do everything superbly with ease, and for a quarter of the price you need to charge to make it a worthwhile business proposition. Dickerson 8615 - 8.5ft 2pc 7wt Posted by Gary Lohkamp,15 Jan 1997. A lot goes into crafting a bamboo fly rod and here you can learn more about our approach. (Steve Weiss), That's the rub isn't it? Can someone email me the taper or point me in the right direction? I measured the rod after seeing David Ray's posting of an 861711 in his taper library that is accessed from Hexrod. The last tip measurement (that goes into the male ferrule) is .204. 10 .110 .254 0.248 0.241 Did I just read something about someone saying Dickerson rods are outclassed by today's makers? by avyoung 06/12/16 21:15, Post .350@40 40 0.184 My son likes the 7613 but he fishes mostly the bigger waters of the west and I'm thinking the 8013 would be a better rod for him. My vote goes to L.C. .266@20 I repaired the rod with by putting on a custom ferrule. Everything is subjective, but for me Morten, the 1949 version of the 8013 listed in the Lovely Reed is the best version of this taper. That his tapers could be surpassed by todays standards? The reason I also advise using stress curves is that when you make changes, add or remove bamboo, you also effect the rest of the rod. Forgot to mention before, Rich Jezioro is taking a set of 11-12/64 ferrules to Grayling for the silent auction for me, so if anybody's interested you can see them there if you're attending. The American Museum of Fly Fishing is the steward of the history, traditions, and practices of the sport of fly fishing and promotes the conservation of its waters. (Gary Nicholson), I think most rodmakers wouldn't build a rod to sell that they didn't like, but would make one for a customer that they wouldn't use themselves, I know I have. Spring Creek Four, Bob Summers has built and repaired quality bamboo fly rods since 1956. If I were to make it I would use .040 bring the 80" value to .328, this is enough to stop all the rod action. 7613: 7'6" 2/2 5 wt. I am sure that the step-downs are important in copying the taper design exactly. 0.266 The slope of the taper of this rod is .014/5" or a B-8.4 (taking the average drop from 80" thru 0"). Station Diameter It looked fairly thin. (David Atchison), Didn't Dickerson make his own ferrules and weren't they slightly oversized? Most of the ones I have made and sold are the PHY Perfectionist taper. 0.102 So this spring I made the Dickerson 8014 Guide taper and prefer it for Lake Bass and larger bluegill. I have also noticed the mention of a Dickerson 8014GS. Post 2023 Spinoza Rod Company. They would be; The Straight line taper is the most basic and then the six major deviations of the SLT. I just put stepdown ferrules on my first rod, an 8014 Dickerson. 8ft #5wt. (David Zincavage), You can inform your authority that he is wayyyyyyyyyy off base!! by avyoung 06/12/16 18:13, Post I think we can say that adding more material to a tip section would produce more power and reducing material on the tip section will increase accuracy and delicacy of fly presentation. by Morten 06/12/16 08:37, Post .but like most opinions you will find that many on this list (and in the world at large) are not going to agree with you. 0.111 Lyle Dickerson Spurred into rodmaking by losing his job in the great depression, Lyle Dickerson would go on to become one of the masters of the craft. That has compensation for the ferrule and the Varnish & Guides. But if you decide to tell the world that this is therefore the right way to design a fishing rod then I'm going to disagree with you! (Jay Hake), Apparently Dickerson didn't think so. If you would like to give Michigan a try, let me know. 2023 American Museum Of Fly Fishing. This rod has some meat in the butt section and seems to mend a fair bit of line with ease. Reducing material in the butt section will make the butt more limber and allow flex deeper into the butt. I've mostly used it for bass. . 0.168 I figure it will still be a good rod even if the swell won't be apparent to the eyes. Determine the effect of adding or subtracting material as to what effect it will have on rod action, we can design rods for a specific purpose. Still own the other and it has a DT6 on it. The following taper was taken from a varnished 8013. That is up to the tip transition point, or max tip stress point according to Garrison. Users can select the appropriate Morgan Handmill Cutter to match the geometry including both the 60.5 and 61.5 degree cutters for hex rods. The Garrison tip would be .078, B-9 tip would be .059, and a fast .018/5" drop a tip of .035. As this was my favorite rod, much foul language followed. . Pezon/Michel. All Dickerson copies include Dickerson aesthetics, blued ferrules & an agate stripping guide if desired. Powered by Shopify. It has a butt swell of about .070 also. This board is for discussing the repair and restoration of bamboo fly rods, makers discussion and construction techniques relating to same. While I have never cast an original (I think only a few were ever made by Mr. Dickerson) I have made a 4-5. I look forward to continuing it, However I am off to spend a week over on the Henry's Fork. Dickerson 7012 (1954) from "the Lovely Reed". . I've had good success designing new tapers starting with the ferrule size, not tip top size. There are many ways to skin this cat. And this set of conditions is very narrow. You could have chosen Tom Fulk's true arc taper as the norm and try to describe the deviations from that. 30 .174 .322 The part of the ferrule that fits over the bamboo on the tip section (male ferrule) had the same exact inside diameter of .221" INITIALLY! (Rich Jezioro). Whether you're picking out your very first fly-fishing rod or coming in for a new modern fly reel after years out on the water, Sportsman's Warehouse can supply you with the very best fly-fishing equipment. So it seems that we are actually in complete agreement. Leonard patent, I believe. Experience the difference of a Mystic Fly Rod on your next expedition. I sold one to a co-worker who is a streamer guy and he fishes it with a full sinking 5 wt line and is happy with it. Another maker who knows Dickerson tapers very well is Rick Cunningham. CSE makes and sells this kind of "step-down" ferrule, from tubing, as Dickerson did. I own one of his 7612s and it's a wonderful rod. I am sure there are situations where a bit more length would be helpful, but who am I to argue with Mr. Dickerson? Dennis looked over his rod and it, too, has two nodes right next to each other. These are Bob's dimensions. John Pickard only way to go. But I imagine that high output builders didn't have every rod turn out the same for whatever reason. The 6 for the Hex the 7 for streamers. (four piece) carbon fiber fly rod blank $85.00 13' 7/8wt. (Tim Pembroke). Lyle Dickerson (Michigan) (Harry Boyd). Easy casting and very versatile. 25 .160 .308 Start out by choosing your fly rod, and follow it up with a visit to our collection of fly reels. 0.128 Acclaimed as one of the finest rod tapers ever conceived. He can correct this if he is still hanging around. As Lou points out, it is nicest with the kind of ferrule Dickerson made himself. It's the important half, too, the other one is less important than line weight, I refer you to the basic laws of aerodynamics, this post is already too long! I think you are being a tad myopic, if you can't see that .016, .014, and .015 AVERAGE OUT to equal .014". So now where do you add or subtract material and what effect will it have on the rod. 0.350 "And look at the difference in the prices they go for!" It was considerably more effortless to use than my colleagues 8'6'' to 9' supposedly #4 carbons. Right, I've printed that off and made a brief study. Following tests I no longer cook UHU. As long as a maker includes the correct ferrule drop, Dickerson tapers are no more difficult to make than most others. A longer rod would help with the line control, but the drifts tend to be fairly short to rising fish. Fly Fishing Supplies & Gear. That's the "raw cane" numbers. If you're willing to accept our assumptions about varnish thickness and how to interpolate between measurements, then the table on the last page is the one to use. Post 0.153 (Al Baldauski). 1 2 3 He has two Dickerson 7613 tapers, from 1952 and 1970, that show dimensions for a butt ferrule that would be 14/64 and a tip ferrule of 13/64. The butt has a long flex area from 45"- 75" and a butt swell. Dickerson 8014 Fred Bears Rod, 2606 -1. The file will convert hex tapers to Quad, Penta, Hex, Hepta and Oct tapers. I fish mostly Michigan streams where you are wading the stream casting to the edges, and casting to rising fish wherever you are lucky enough to find them. If you like I can send you a compensated SLT and you will see what I mean. One from the 1950s, one from the 1970s, and Russ Gooding's Golden Witch version. You can vary the slope to get the "speed" you want (Garrison's are .013/5"; a B-9 .015/5"; and I've built them as fast as .018/5"). More info. Worked well enough for me to pass the test. The 1952 Dickerson is similar to the GW except it's a 5/6 wt. by avyoung 06/12/16 21:25, Post Is the 8013 just a 6" longer 7613 or what are the differences? I'm just curious if you have a procedure to do this compensation on the taper itself or if you do this by stress calculation methods? Fast Dickerson 7613 - 7'6" 2pc Welcome to the Taper Archives; The data on this page reflects the work of generations of dedicated rodmakers. (Chris Obuchowski). (Lowell Davis), The 8013 is definitely NOT a longer version of the 7613. (If memory serves me right Tony Young sells step down ferrules for Dickerson rods, so you may try that.) I personally have never been able to use them to describe the characteristics of a taper. They were severely inhibited by several difficulties. Most of the classic rodmakers continually "fudged" their tapers over the years (sometimes unintentionally due to machine and pattern wear, and sometimes deliberately). 40 .200 under grip If you look at the attached graph you will see that my Compensated Straight Line Taper does indeed have a Straight Horizontal Stress Curve at 20 feet of line outside the tiptop. 0.206 Hence the short butt long tip "BSAS" conformation of some of the better iterations. Jim Payne. This is the second invitation to fish Michigan, and I thank you sincerely for it. What physical characteristics make a taper roll cast well. (Robin Haywood), This would be very easy, but would impact on other desirable qualities. 4 wt 0.0680 I am still trying to fully define the effect, positive and negative each of these regions have on rod action. More than an eight weight is required to handle the largest of flies. Dave Norling, Rush River Rods, makes a stepdown 13/12 ferrule, the only size stepdown that he offers , that works very well for this taper. It is, literally, the shape of the rod itself and determines how . 0.205 His total production was fewer than 1,000 rods. "Proper amounts" and "correct points" are hardly scientifically precise terms, so I regret that I don't know what you might mean. And why not? 65 0.2565 (Mark Dyba), Okay, to continue the discussion, what are they, and why? Great conversation. It was a rod I hate. - Led Zeppelin, 10 Years Gone. To vary the straight line you can adjust the tip dimension. (Mark Wendt), Dickerson (like all of us who draw their own tubing) used 1/64 wall tubing to construct his ferrules. So far all those posted were missing the 1st station on the butt section. ever wonder why all those 10 1/2/64 Heddons broke at the female ferrule? 40 .200 .070 Examples would be different techniques or methods used by restorationists and makers. (Bob Norwood). I have had my rod alongside an original and except for mine being new they were identical. (Gary Nicholson), The chap is obviously of unsound mind as the Perfectionist is IMHO one of the all time worst taper rods out there. Stress curves are the only tool I have seen that give you a visual image of exactly what you have changed and the consequences of that action. The hatch did not materialize and the fish did not rise, which gave me time to think of such things. 45 .216 .375 Look at a graph of the rod dimensions. At The Airport. 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